When I started with the Downtown Commission, I sort of took on the Arts Downtown project, which was a program that had started the year before where they worked with Michael Brown, who is the artist for all those murals.

People complained because... it was one color. He never did paint in the color, and everybody said, "You needed to paint in the color." And I said, "You needed to give me more money! We couldn't afford color on that one."

And Michael would come up with an idea. We'd pick a wall and we would of course have to go to the property owner and get permission. My role in all of that other than sort of an organizational thing was to raise the money. I pretty much went out and wrote letters and called on people and raised the money for those murals.

And actually some of the ideas were... I would give Michael a little bird of an idea and he would take it and run with it. Like the, I always claim credit for the one in the Porthole Alley, the one that is painted on the Carolina Coffee Shop because I said, "Michael, if you think about it, this alley way is the main gateway to the University and to the downtown and over the last 100 years or however long these buildings and this alley have existed, the parade of students and town folks up and down this alley has just been incredible and you know, what about a parade."

And I said, "On one side of the building, we will put the parade and you can have marching bands, whatever you want to do and on the other side, you know, you can paint all the spectators and the spectators will be half the size of the people in the parade." And he said, "Well, why would you do that?" And I said, "Because life is not a spectator's sport and if you're involved in it, it's a lot bigger than if you just stand on the sideline and watch." And he liked that idea and we never did get permission from the university to paint the other side of the alley, but maybe someday Michael you know, can pull that off.

That was such a great mural because as he was painting it, that massive humanity continued to walk by everyday. And he tells the story about a woman came by and she said, "You don't have any pregnant woman on there." And she was pregnant herself and so he said, "Can you stand there just a minute?" And he kind of sketched her out and painted her on the wall and another day a guy came by in a wheelchair and he said, "You don't have any handicapped people in here and he says, "Well, can you just sit there a minute?" And he sketched him out and there is a guy in a wheelchair and so, you know, people would come by and they would say, "Oh you need to put so and so in there and he would. But, that was one of my favorites.

People complained because... it was one color. He never did paint in the color, and everybody said, "You needed to paint in the color." And I said, "You needed to give me more money! We couldn't afford color on that one."

And it was a great project and I enjoyed it immensely.